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#16: Quality: The Hidden Secret Ingredient with Mitch Lacey

September 07, 2022     31 minutes

Mitch Lacey joins Brian to talk about building quality into our work.


The Scrum Guide says the developers own quality and that it is both a right and responsibility of the team. What does that look like though? What do we mean when we say quality? How do teams practically go about building quality or is it just “baked in?” Join Brian and Mitch Lacey as they discuss this all important secret ingredient to the Scrum framework and hear why it’s so vital to a team’s success.

Listen now to discover: 

2:25 Mitch explains what we mean by quality

6:48 Brian asks Mitch how to tell when you are “gold plating” things?

12:30 Brian asks about the developer who thinks the code needs to be perfect before they release

16:55 Brian talks about the last stage of the creative process is releasing

21:25 Mitch relates self-accountability to a recent Soccer(Football) match

22:34 Brian and Mitch discuss the infamous “Squirrel Burger” story

Listen next time when we’ll be discussing… 

David Hawks joins us as we discuss transformations.

References and resources mentioned in the show

Test Driven Development

“Squirrel Burger” story

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This episode’s presenters are:

Brian Milner is SVP of coaching and training at Mountain Goat Software. He’s passionate about making a difference in people’s day-to-day work, influenced by his own experience of transitioning to Scrum and seeing improvements in work/life balance, honesty, respect, and the quality of work. 

Mitch Lacey is an agile practitioner and trainer. Mitch has been managing projects for over fifteen years & is credited with many plan-driven & agile projects. He is the author of “The Scrum Field Guide,” a book targeting teams adopting agile and Scrum practices. He has published many papers, including “Adventures in Promiscuous Pairing,” “Transitioning to Agile: Key Lessons Learned in the Field,” “The Impacts of Poor Estimating -& How to Fix It,” plus a variety of papers for Microsoft and “Immersive Interviewing -Building Great Agile Software Teams.”

Show edited by Rhett Gill.