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#17: Getting There From Here: Agile Transformations with David Hawks

September 14, 2022     40 minutes

David Hawks joins Brian to discuss the process of an organization becoming Agile.


When you read through the Scrum Guide, the picture it paints is of the desired end result - what the team/organization should look like when finished. There’s surprising little said though about how you get from where you are to where you want to eventually be. Enter the topic of Agile Transformations. There is a journey that organizations undertake when they decide to adopt Agile and like any journey, it’s always helpful to have a guide to help you get there who has been through it before. David Hawks joins Brian to share his experience in helping countless organizations make this journey to become Agile.

Listen now to discover: 

03:10 Brian asks David what the biggest hurdle is that organizations have when adopting Agile?

05:24 David explains that multiple levels the organization needs to focus on in the process

11:00 David talks about “Implementing Practices over Outcomes”

16:30 Brian asks what individuals who aren’t leaders can do to help?

20:20 Brian asks David to explain how his Path to Agility helps address these issues?

29:35 Brian talks about the Spotify Engineering Culture videos example

Listen next time when we’ll be discussing… 

Agile Coaching with Lyssa Adkins!

References and resources mentioned in the show

Path To Agility & Agile Velocity

SAFe and LeSS

Yellowstone spinoff 1883

Oregon Trail

Spotify Engineering Culture Video 1 and Video 2

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This episode’s presenters are:

Brian Milner is SVP of coaching and training at Mountain Goat Software. He’s passionate about making a difference in people’s day-to-day work, influenced by his own experience of transitioning to Scrum and seeing improvements in work/life balance, honesty, respect, and the quality of work. 

David Hawks is the CEO of both Agile Velocity and Path to Agility. He is a Certified Scrum Trainer as well as a Certified Enterprise Coach with the Scrum Alliance - their top two certifications. He received his Bachelor of Business Administration in Management Information Systems degree from the University of Texas at Austin. His love for his beloved Longhorns from UT is only eclipsed by his love (and expertise) in tailgating prior to their home games!


Show edited by Rhett Gill.